their side with regard to how the president himself responded to it, and many others responded to it and he took one step forward, five steps back on that. there's no need for that. she suffered enough. she's been through a traumatic experience without a doubt. he didn't need to dog pile on it. >> nita, you have a pained look on your face. >> yeah, don. he's the president of the united states. you know, the other day when he said that she was credible, he found her compelling, that was acting. what we saw tonight was real. and he is stoking this in front of a crowd that just to me lacks what we would call you an eq, an emotional quotient here. it doesn't matter whose side you're on from a political standpoint. we can't have empathy one to another and to have the president of the united states of america think it is okay to roll dr. ford in this. it's just -- it's unconscionable. it's shameful.