started his empire? >> exactly right, jake. that accelerated entering his 40s and 50s. one instance he owed his father $15 million by 1987. converted that into an investment in his latest apartment, trump palace pap few years later his father sold the shares back for $10,000 and took a tax write-off to the full $15 million as an investment loss. we're told that is an illegal related party transaction. can't take a write-off, but the net effect, puts 15 $15 million his son's pocketant this took place a long time ago. would any explain why president trump continues to refuse to release tax returns to the public, as every president since gerald ford has done? >> we just don't know the answer to that. there's a lot of possibilities. again, we're guessing into the darkness, because he really doesn't divulge anything