democrats really pounded away, comparing his testimony this time around to earlier testimony on the hill, things that he had said that he was pulling back from. so i think that he has a really steep hill to climb that frankly clarence thomas didn't have the same one back in 1991 because he had spoken so much in terms of his own personal identity, whereas the personal identity we have seen of brett kavanaugh was quite evasive to this point. that's a difficult measure for him. >> the great wild card i think in this hearing is rachel mitchell, the prosecutor. because who is the defendant here? who is she going to cross examine in an aggressive way? because both of them have vulnerabilities to a real cross-examination. what house was it? you don't know. what date was it? you don't know. who else was present? you don't know. you could make her look bad. you could also go to brett