whether they will or not remains to be seen. number two, on the issue of having outside counsel, there is a president here. it happened in iran contra, all through the '50s and '60s and '70s. and getting outside counsel would be both sides. he said without side counsel's experience in sexual harassment and assault with particular skill should be employed to pose questions at the hearings. one for the republicans and one for the democrats. so it is not without precedent. there are people who have argued on both sides. it makes sense. >> but what is going on here, as i understand it, is that the senators are really going to take a backseat to an outsider. and there is an awful lot of secrecy. we found out late last night who it was going to be. i've been involved in important hearings before. i have never considered