to judge kavanaugh. that she wanted to carefully consider what she was going to say and how before she did so. >> in terms of her motivation for speaking to you, as you said, she didn't want to at first, correct? and she, you know, she had doubts about her own memory. she had questions about it, correct? >> she wanted to take as much time as she needed to come to a place where she was certain she wanted to upend her life for this. and that did include looking at every piece of this that she had vivid memories of. the voices she heard, the faces she saw. and really making sure that there was no doubt in her mind. and until she decided there was no doubt, she didn't want to speak publicly. and what you pointed out is often lost in the conversation here. i think about both dr. ford and also about miss ramirez. these are not women who came out publicly of their own volition. these are both cases where the senate began looking at this. dr. ford sent a letter but she intended that to be anonymous initially. when we first reported the detail of her allegation, we