magazine, "variety," "vanity fair," had he she is waiting. her only incentive is to tell the truth. frankly, this makes judge kavanaugh look real iffy, if you ask me. i don't think this is a sound strategy. >> let me actually agree which is simone in the sense that i think the white house is concerned. we're not going to find out the truth about the allegation. we're going to hear two different sides. i think what they're trying to do, and i agree with you, this is unprecedented. this is very unusual. is to humanize him. show that he is an honest person. that he is -- doesn't have the personality of a sex abuser. but, again -- >> that his wife is willing to stand by him in an interview. >> again, this is not a court of law. what we're going to see is a pr strategy from both sides. and we're going to have to see thursday what happens. >> but we haven't seen the pr