for right now, the president says they're not going to be published unredacted and declassified. >> kaitlan, thanks very much. kaitlan collins reporting. thanks to jeffrey toobin and evan perez as well. joining us, leon panetta. he served as defense secretary and cia director during the obama administration. thanks for joining us. let's get first of all to the report in "the new york times", which we've now confirmed not only did rod rosenstein discuss removing the president from office through the 25th amendment, but he also spoke about the possibility of recruiting other administration officials in that area. do you believe that this -- and the discussion about possibility using a wire to record the president, are these grounds to fire rosenstein? >> well, in many ways, wolf, this is not a new story. we've known about the chaos and erratic kba erratic behavior by the president.