let me play you the most -- i think it's one of the most recent things president trump has said about their relationship, about michael cohen. listen to this. >> they make it sound like i didn't live without i am. i understood michael cohen very well. it turned out he wasn't a very good lawyer, frankly. but he was somebody that was probably with me for about ten years. and i would see him sometimes. but when i had deals and big deals i had outside lawyers and i have a lot of inside lawyers too in addition to michael. >> so trump puts it that way now. but what is your sense? how much does michael cohen really know after the years he's been with trump? >> he knows a great deal. he was an executive vice president and counsel at the trump organization. times when i would be dealing with donald trump when he was on the company, other reporters, he would often send things to cohen, especially things that were problems. and fixer is a good way to describe it. and what this suggests, it just reinforces the reporting that we have that it seems like robert