happened. a huge part of the kavanaugh defense is he's such a great guy. better catholic. better american than you are. baloney. okay? it's baloney. >> what's baloney? >> brett kavanaugh used the power of the office of independent counselor, worked for ken starr, to reopen the investigation of suicide of vince foster. i knew vince. i worked with him. he committed suicide. it was a tragedy. that was investigated by the park police, by the first special counsel, by senate, by the house. by the secret service. all said the obvious, poor man took his own life. he reopened it. spent millions of dollars and tormented the foster family in the most vicious, cruel abuse of power i think i have seen in 30 years and should be held for account of that. that's part of the account, too. i don't know what he was like in high school but i know what he was like with power in the office and tormented that poor family. >> if we had a hearing -- under oath. >> goes to character, doesn't it? >> it does and yes, i do think that mark judge would be a terrible character witness.