are enough. the big outstanding question, i think, at this moment, and you asked this, is will dr. ford agree to testify publicly? if she says no, i think kavanaugh is fine. i think kavanaugh will go through. if she says yes and the committee then declines to hear from her, that's a big problem for the committee and for kavanaugh. >> there's an on-the-record vote on this, and what pressure does this put them under? i understand you can make the case, we do not believe her. but if you feel it's a credible allegation, if you are one of the senators, how do you justify your vote? >> yeah, that's the thing. so far, i mean, you kind of hear inklings of they are questioning the timing, and it's all political and she has donations