got. >> you talked about how you knew the second she walked over to that umpire, you were thinking, this is trouble. >> yeah, absolutely. because i knew that she had been disturbed by what she was being accused of. and then she -- then she was very clear, i don't cheat. i play to win. i would not cheat to lose. i would rather lose. someone who says that and someone who has 23 grand slam singles titles, who knows the tennis rules and regulations, obviously knows what that kind of violation would mean for her in the game. so i knew that it was going to be contentious. >> and you know her. listen, she's a tough -- she's a tough woman. she's probably, as we've all -- you know, dropped some four-letter words in our time, and you said she was really, you know, holding back, trying to be as gracious as she could with this umpire. >> there's no doubt. listen, i know serena really well, and she, with you know, from time to time has dropped a few f-bombs on the court, but she was doing her best to not do that. the things that came out of her mouth about being a liar and a cheat and, you know, stealing from her, essentially, a game in