you're giving him information, administrative sources, administration sources, they get good vignettes, good portrayals in the books. people that don't give him information like the president, they don't come across so well. >> he reached out to the president. he wanted to talk to him. you heard the phone call between the two of them, right? >> well, the way this book has turned out i think the president looks like he was smart not to talk to him because he talked to a lot of people that were ex-administration people that were not very happy with the president. at least that's what we were led to believe based on this. it's all anonymous sourcing. >> right. but that doesn't mean it's not true. as we all know, most of the best reporting we get is from anonymous sources because they don't want to be revealed, and they're often likely to tell you the most truthful things. >> but, chris, i'm watching your network. they're saying that people in the book are afraid world war iii is going to break out and they're protecting the country from the president. usually, people that feel that strongly, they'll go on the record. especially the people of the caliber he's quoting and