people, and really connect with the base. it is valuable no the candidate who is not running for office and valuable to the republicans overall. look, i was in the midst of the back and forth with the president trump and senator cruz on the presidential campaign trail, but politics is hard. and when you are running in a high stakes very heated presidential campaign, all bets are off, and you will do anything and everything to the win, and that is -- >> not to sound like it is playground stuff, but the president started it, right? he started with the lying ted and then going after his wife, and placing blame and that ted cruz' dad had something to do with the assassination of jfk, and that is heavy and deep stuff, and for ted cruz to be embracing or seeing it as an attribute for the president to campaign for him, that is confusing. >> that is whether this debate is a challenge of a real one. the polling there says that the candidate is crash iing in and