>> no one has ever called us enemy of the people before. >> exactly. i agree. >> that's a total change. >> that also is very different than saying that what's on a videotape doesn't exist. i also want to know what michael caputo said there, there's not even a whiff of collusion, as know there is no crime of collusion. there is a crime of conspiracy. as to what there is a whiff of, there's some pretty smelly stuff that went on at trump tower that is still being investigated to an extent with the donald trump jr. meeting. and there are still questions about that. is there a mueller ruling or a mueller indictment or a mueller written statement on that? not yet. joan, go ahead. >> no, i'm just saying that e-mail will always stand out. you know, the russian government is interested in offering the campaign some dirt. if it's what you say, i love it. you're welcoming something that is illegal. not cash but material assistance from a foreign government to a campaign. that is a conspiracy. i mean i don't know how don junior gets out of that. >> we'll see if it's a conspiracy. >> by not taking anything at
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