circle at the academy with four naval academy grads with the same name starting with john mccain and then his son and then john sydney mccain iii and now jack who graduated from the naval academy and served our country with distinction since and jimmy as well who is also in the military. >> as i understand it, he started off as an -- you started off as an intern with john mccain, worked your way up to state director. what was john mccain like as a boss? >> he was a terrific boss, he was demanding and he was a hot head, i don't think anyone would disagree with that but when the heat of the moment was over, he was terrific to be around. he was one of those guys who -- a lot of people have one or two people in their lives they know that everybody wants to be in that orbit, they want to be around that person.