and vmi is a tough school on your best day. and to couple that with being in the first female class of women at vmi, it was a very, very difficult experience. but for the most part, we knew that we were going to encounter some resistance when we got to the school from not only the alumni but the corps of cadets. and when you're in a situation like that, you don't know how to react. and the best thing to do is to take it day by day. that's exactly what all of the women did. >> we just heard justice ginsburg respond to critics about the decision in the vmi case. she said 20 years ago, and she reiterated her point then that you'll be proud of the women who graduate from vmi. there have been a number of women that have graduated from vmi since you first entered there. do you think she was proven right? >> oh, i think so. and i think the institute is very proud of its female graduates, as it is of its male graduates. we have women that are leading