the scary, black people. antifa is widely perceived as an african-american organization, and this is just part of the same story of lebron james and don lemon and maxine waters and the nfl players and the ucla basketball players. this is about black versus white. this is about donald trump's appeal to racism and it just happens all the time. we never say it -- we don't say it enough for what it is, but that's what is going on here. >> what do you think, ron? >> well, look, i don't disagree, but i would frame it more broadly. i mean i think trump basically has portrayed himself from the beginning as kind of the last line of defense for his supporters against all of the forces that he suggests are trying to take america away from them. sometimes it is coastal elites like his attack on google this morning, and sometimes, often, it is minority leaders like all of the attacks that jeffrey