to pardon. it may be an abuse of power. it may be obstruction by the president. but he can do it. when you get convicted of federal tax crimes and federal tax fraught that means you committed state tax fraud. when the state prosecutes you for state tax fraud that cannot be pardoned. he's in a world of trouble, fred. >> the president hasn't necessarily said he's going to do it. he just simply has left the door open, right, you know, avery, by praising manafort and saying, you know, he hasn't done anything that's anything unlike a lot of other people who have done stuff. lobbyists, et cetera. >> think about this, fredricka. he talked about the trial in northern virginia against manafort as a, quote, hoax. well, my goodness, gracious. you had literally all 18. in fact, it's very possible you