an extended period of time and pardoning someone who has violated and potentially colluded with russia, we don't know yet. there are huge differences here. pardoning somebody like paul manafort, this is trump again putting out there he's above the law. that's what people don't like about it. >> you say, look, you know people who have done this, done a lot of bad things. shouldn't there be a different standard this high in politics? shouldn't there be a different standard if you're running a campaign for five critical months? >> yes. i'm not making any excuse and neither are those in pennsylvania. here's the big issue, i think voters are understanding that. it has nothing to do with russia at this point that we know of and it has nothing to do with the campaign of president trump, everything to do with what he