tower. there's more to come. and they're trying to figure out how to deal with it, trying to get their base to understand, hey, we're still good, we're still good, when indeed it's not. they are in crisis mode. >> from a legal standpoint, david swerdlick, how worried should the president be right now? >> well, i think it's evident fromfrom thant view with ainsley earhart. i agree with everything joey and susan said. but to your point, april-b the president trying to operate from a position of strength, when he was in that interview it's either that he didn't understand the law or that he's counting on the public not to understand what a campaign finance violation is. and by saying this money didn't come out of the campaign coffers it's possible that what he's trying to say is if it didn't come out of the campaign coffers why is anybody even making a big deal out of it even though, as you said, susan, what it is is that his campaign gained something of value from these payments. >> you know, it's interesting, joey jackson. yesterday michael cohen, you know, he pleaded guilty to eight felony counts, but paul