even his children's telephones. well, now he has stepped up to the line and he can now speak again and he feels liberated. >> how far is he willing to go? because i just want to ask because, you know, for years he's been saying, i will protect this president. i'm very loyal to donald trump. i'm not going to flip on him. i would never hurt him. and now we've come to this. >> when i first spoke to michael cohen and took several weeks for the two of us to get to know each other on the phone before we ever met, we talked very intensely about what caused him to change his mind about donald trump. and the only way to put it -- it may sound a little bit syrupy -- was patriotism and love of country caused him to recognize president and his lack of lar -