with him. he wasn't smarmy and illegal when i was actually involved with him. so if anything, all his indiscorrections, according to the president, happened long before. >> well, and one of the smarmiest things or smarmiest things he's done or was involved in was trying to get a trump tower in moscow. we haven't talked at all about because there's so much more interesting news today, about michael cohen being the front guy for trump's business in russia. you know, this is something i'm sure we're going to delve more into. we'll learn more about in the coming weeks, and manafort, yes, his conviction wasn't related to trump, but he was still the guy negotiating the democratic platform that made it friendlier to russia. this still will go back to that. there are a lot more lies that michael cohen told that are going to unravel over the coming weeks and months, i would suspect. >> senator santorum, appreciate it, jen psaki, jeff toobin as well. >> as we touched on a bit while michael cohen was entering guilty pleas, the jury in the paul manafort trial came back