care about that? >> i'm not saying they don't care. i say i think they care more about other things. number one, to say he surrounded himself with convicted criminals, i mean, they were not convicted criminals when he surrounded himself with them. i think that's a little too much. >> they had been. because they had already broken the law. >> but they weren't convicted. so the idea -- >> they were criminals. >> the idea that he knew they were criminals. >> unconvicted criminals. >> you're making the assumption he would have known they were doing criminal activity, which of course, he did not. >> unless he was engaged in criminal activity and that's why he had so many around him, like his attorney. >> that's what his attorney has accused him of. preet bharara did a good job of explaining this is his side of the story. it's obviously president trump has a different story. the big problem with president trump's story is it's not been a consistent story. and that's problematic for him. but we're still, you know, look, this is a serious problem. this is a game changer in many regards. but looking at who this is