strategy? >> let's go back to the question of whether or not he incriminated the president. the president seems not to understand that mcgahn is not his personal lawyer. so you think about the kinds of things that might have been toads mcgahn under the misapprehension that he was his personal lawyer. and at time when they didn't think obstruction of justice could possibly be a crime. that was their view then and now. and i take harry's point that it's almost like mcgahn can provide the frame twaorbg which other details can be placed. what were the nature of the discussions before and after the comey firing? who set up the meetings with the russian ambassador shortly after the comey firing. even if he doesn't directly say