>> all they knew is that a woman with a russian name wanted to meet with them. they didn't know she was a representative of the russian government. and indeed she's not a representative of the russian government. >> well, she was a representative of the russian government. in the e-mail exchange that donald trump jr. had with rob goldstone, who was setting up this meeting with the russian, the intermediary, it says clearly, this is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of russia and its government's support of mr. trump. clearly this was a meeting that was designed to provide information. they didn't get it necessarily from the russian government to the trump team. >> what the problem is that rudy giuliani is doing, he's out here giving what he wants to give, and he understands -- he's trying to play this in the court of public opinion. he clearly understands that whatever he puts out there, the trump base is listening.