and they decided early on that it was better to not resist cooperation and to -- and to cooperate from the start. now, i was honestly puzzled by that decision, because notwithstanding those two court decisions, there's a later court decision that actually, you know, questioned those others and the supreme court still hasn't ruled on it. so, to give up those privileges so early, i was, frankly, surprised, and i -- it appears it may come back to hurt the president and perhaps the presidency. >> so, don mcgahn, the white house counsel, cooperated on this. he also has the reference point of the bill clinton, you know, administration and the white water investigation, et cetera, so, he has that familiarity. however, is it your view that president trump was aware of this level of transparency or this commitment of cooperation