publicly. mr. mcnair, what did he say to you in those moments? >> he apologized which was what we felt the right thoing to do for the responsibility of what happened to jordan. >> we've learned a lot about the program. there's a report from espn where they call this a toxic culture, extreme verbal abuse of players, their masculinity is mocked, one player was belittled after passing out during a drill. did jordan ever talk to you about any concerns he had about the way practices were run, the way things were being done at maryland. >> no. jordan was a very quiet person and i would ask him how's your day, i would ask him every mo