you don't need to like him. trying to deal with this issue of the fact that he had an affair. he was stealing from paul manafort. all of those, obviously, are going to be -- >> pleaded guilty to lying and also pleaded guilty for his own charges relating to it. the other thing they made a point of, it's all about documents. we've all made a big point that rick gates is the star witness here. prosecutors said, no, the star witness is the documents. look at the documents. if there's something you don't believe or something you question about rick gates, all of that is supported by the documents. so, clearly, that to them is an important part of this case. and the bank fraud is really an important part of this case. that's where paul manafort has the most exposure, where he can really face significant time. >> if you can, help us handicap this case here now. you did have the unusual circumstances where the defense did not bring any defense witnesses. closed their case. now they'll make their closing arguments. is this an open and shut case