houses that preceded us, there wasn't a sense that those were necessary wouldn't have crossed anyone's mind. notwithstanding the fact they may not be enforceable. but this is how donald trump ran his business, and this goes back to what i said before. this is what he demanded of everyone who was involved with him in his business because he doesn't trust people. he doesn't show them loyalty, and they don't trust him. and therefore they don't show him loyalty. it is a den of vipers. >> yeah, and you see that with the recordings. so, frank, you call this a crisis of professionalism within the white house. talk to me about that. >> i think you can look at any number of things. we have seen any number of examples of terrible vetting. let's not forget the whole dr. rani fiasco, and rob porter regarding security clearance and jared kushner.