agreement standard procedure? is it legitimately enforceable? >> unheard of until now. and it wasn't standard procedure. look, most people who serve in the white house serve because they feel a desire to serve the country and because they have deep loyalty and respect for the president. and so, you know, at least in the white house i served and i suspect in the other white houses that preceded us, there wasn't a sense that those were necessary wouldn't have crossed anyone's mind. notwithstanding the fact they may not be enforceable. but this is how donald trump ran his business, and this goes back to what i said before. this is what he demanded of everyone who was involved with him in his business because he doesn't trust people. he doesn't show them loyalty, and they don't trust him. and therefore they don't show him loyalty. it is a den of vipers. >> yeah, and you see that with the recordings. so, frank, you call this a