all domestic ivory sales. how important is that for elephant survival? >> it's been massive. i think it was probably the sing the greatest thing that could have helped the elephants and i'm glad to say that hong kong and taiwan have followed suit. reseptember recently taiwan made its announcement. poaching has been reduced dramatically. there's an orphanage where they have the babies often from the poach, they haven't had any in for three years the poaching has gone down so much in kenya and it was down to around 60 last year from '0320 before. there's still problems in places, but the situation has gotten better on poaching. >> that's wonderful. i watched a documentary on that elephant rescue and cried my eyes out a few years ago. it's just unbelievable what people do. but there are countries, though, that still allow the sale of ivory, so where are you