political fight. >> van, you know the nfl said it was going to fine teams with protesting players directly who in turn would have it in their discretion to enforce pregame anthem observation observations. so there was a penalty. the nfl came up with a penalty for that. what do you think? >> well, i mean, they're trying to split the baby, punch the team, not the players. a whole bunch of nonsense. here's what i would say. i'm actually proud of these players because it's -- you see them doing their, i think, very respectful protests, but something else is happening within the league. a lot of these young guys are trying to figure out ways to be better involved in their communities, they're giving more money than ever. they're becoming more politically involved. they're actually taking on the work, not just on the field, but off the field, of sticking up for good values, and i think the president and the country should be proud of these young guys for caring enough to try to speak up. >> van, i've spoken to a number of them on this show, and i spoke to lebron james who was doing the same thing and, of