to an election, stories like this, whether or not he ends up pleading guilty, whether or not he ends up being guilty, whether he is vindicated, they start to set in to a narrative. what i've heard already from a number of democrats who are seizing on this -- not because they care about chris collins and not even because they think they can win or flip chris collins' district, but this becomes a data point, that they talk about the people that are in power are corrupt. the people that are in power are part of the swamp. people that are in power are just rife with conflicts. >> if what's in the indictment is true, it is a pretty textbook case of securities fraud. >> here's the interesting element of that. you can actually pick out from his lawyer's statement what they're going for right now. securities fraud and frankly insider trading is rife with grey area. we've seen security fraud indictments and convictions overturned in recent years when it comes it certain hedge funds, things. that nature. you can tell what his attorneys are clearly keying on right now, is that he did not make any