on where they stand on trump at this point. he knows that much. he's not a deep policy thinker, but he can read a poll. >> the president asked him about ending the mueller probe, he tweets about it a lot relentlessly. he's been told not to tweet about it but he can't help himself. >> he's like a child that's told don't touch the stove but i touch it anyway because i can. for donald trump the biggest thorn in his side has been this investigation from mueller, and i think to david's point about linda graham's position shifting so much -- or that was ryan -- it's because the trump tact has been let's discredit mueller, discredit the investigation because the facts of the investigation are not on trump's side per se especially with the trump tower meeting and what we're finding out. they haven't been forthcoming