trusted adviser, a trusted fixer turn on you. so if you're sort of looking at this investigation right now thinking what could maikel cohen deliver on donald trump given his years of working sort of as, you know, donald trump's rick gates, this could be a pretty devastating push if the president faces michael cohen turning on him. after michael cohen faces serious tax or bank fraud charges, which is what he's been reported to be under investigation for. because those are very serious charges and, again, charges that can come pretty much with just some paper research and indictments. >> which harry, gets us to the point if mueller sits down sxint views with the president he said it could be about obstruction of justice. he has explicitly not said, right? it's not about any kind of fraud. but to the point garrett's making, that doesn't mean that they may not be looking at that with the president of the united states himself.