he's trying to pin on manafort were in fact done by gates without manafort knowing. if manafort didn't know about this, maybe there are other things he didn't know about. i think that's actually a good line of cross-examination because it doesn't just say hey, this is a bad guy. if he's a bad guy, paul manafort's partner for all these years was a bad guy. you need to if you're the defense show why he's lying about the crime. >> so ann, to this point the jury's not just watching gates. they're also watching the judge. according to the "washington post," at the end of the day today gates said what all of the accountants and bookkeepers and landscapers and mercedes-benz dealers have said, which is that manafort was in charge and he kept a close eye on things. but the judge, judge ellis, interrupted and said, "he didn't know about the money you were stealing. sew didn't do it that closely." now, this comes from the judge. obviously, we know this judge reprimanded the prosecution, has repeatedly during the trial. before the trial he said you guys are using this as a fig leaf, you just want to impeach trump. will this behavior sway the jury? >> yeah, it absolutely could sway the jury. by also agree with harry's