but he keeps coming back at them because it works for him, and look at those men who are kneeling to protect the lives of other black and brown boys and men who have been shot by the police and doing so quite frankly in one of the most peaceful ways you could possibly do it, not even saying a word, just going down on a knee, it is literally one of the most peaceful ways of protest you could think of. but he knows that people in those audiences don't see that. they see black men being disobedient, and that is what he is using. so you can -- >> charles, this is brown face -- >> he can tell another lie on tv, which what he does. >> can you stop calling me a liar? >> you lie all the time and this -- it's very apparent to anybody who's watching. >> let him say his piece. >> this is brown face, by the way, who appreciates very much