if you notice when he talked about this the other day, he was emphatic with he's okay with the government shutdown, then he was followed up with a question, he said i'm open for negotiation, that's not a red line. i think this is a way of him once again putting that issue back on the table and he has walked that back a little bit. he's saying, look, you know, we can wait and push this back, not in september but maybe consider this possibly in december. so this is -- this is clearly him flexing his muscle on this issue. i don't see that happening before the midterm. he understands the consequences of that and republicans aren't going to let that happen. >> alice, also he's on rush limbaugh, right? >> right. >> he knows the audience there. >> right. rush wants -- >> we did a segment the other night, i said the midterms are clearly all -- it's all about him. >> right. >> right? >> well, he's making it that way. he thinks that's good for him but that's really about his ego and what feels good. he's not going to shut down the government. he's going to totally cave to mcconnell and ryan. he's just talking tough. and, you know, he's talking to