alive that he's willing to speak to the special counsel. you know, i really don't believe it. i don't think he want to sit down with the special counsel. i think his lawyers have impressed upon him the risks of doing that. i think they want to keep it out there in the public eye, we're not afraid, we have nothing to hide, we're willing to sit down. and them going on about this back and forth and this negotiation allows them to continue to claim that's true. >> so, michael, sources are telling our gloria borger that mueller's team is willing to reduce the number of questions they'd ask about potential obstruction by nearly half? is that -- what do you think of that, is that smart? >> i think glenn makes a good point and a good lawyer when you go in and you're talking to somebody of interest to you in an investigation, you know the answers. you're basically pushing them to see what response you get. whether you ask him ten questions about it or five questions about it, they already got witnesses on record, they already got testimony on record for other people. they're just going to see if he tells -- when he says of his side of the story. >> yeah. >> i think the narrative is, he wants to act like he wants to