is going to come down to a political battle, that the president may never be charged with a crime. may never -- we may never get to that point. it will be politics. and they're campaigning. >> i sort of laughed at when i heard rudy giuliani say what he said. if the president committed a crime, it's not a crime. >> it's insane, but this is something that the president has said, and nixon actually promoted this idea that if the president does -- >> you can't break a law. >> by definition it's legal because he's the government. >> how long have you known trump? >> three or four years and i studied him for longer than that. >> so if he is -- if someone in his family is indicted, how do you think he'll react? >> i think it depends who it is.