putin. i mean, there are fundamental things, bits of information that the american people deserve, and, you know, the bottom line is this president doesn't believe that he has any obligation to share that information with people. he calls the press the enemy of the people. he conflates his political interest with the public interest. and he thinks that reporting is a hostile act. >> yeah, the fact is we're not even sure he has told his secretary of state or his secretary of defense exactly what was discussed with vladimir putin in that meeting. it's not clear from their own -- from pompeo's testimony that he really has a full read-out from the president. >> right. >> carl, you fought with many white houses over the years trying to get your questions answered. nixon's secretary ron ziegler had a famously adversarial relationship with the press. how would you describe things