excuse me, the president also. it started with the president. and this is an old claim he's made. he made -- he said that mueller had a conflict of interest when -- because of his relationship to one of his virginia golf course and country clubs where mueller once was a member, and they had some dispute that got sorted out, minor incident. but he thought this was justification alone to have a conflict of interest to pursue a prosecution as a special counsel. well, that's silliness. and all this was disclosed to the department of justice and mueller has no obligation to turn this information over to anybody other than the department of justice. >> it's sad a lot of people are buying this stuff that they're putting out there. that's all i'll say. i'll end it there. thank you, gentleman. i appreciate it. when we come back, i'll ask a former chairman of the house intelligence committee what he thinks about rudy giuliani's defense of the president. plus there are signs that say north korea is working on new missiles. mike rogers weighs in on all that next.