>> there is no collusion. i say it all the time. >> there is absolutely no collusion. >> there was no collusion on my side. >> there is no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. >> i didn't know the president. there was nobody to collude with. >> i am truly not involved in any form of collusion with russia, believe me. >> four hours later, i mean, you know, when you listen to all that you realize there is kind of a problem there. giuliani went to fox news, called in to try to clean it up. >> when i said today that there was no collusion and therefore -- and that collusion also is no crime. i've been saying that from the very beginning, so has john dowd. it's a very, very familiar lawyer's argument that the alternative, my client didn't do it, and even if he did it, it's not a crime. i have said that over and over again. >> "outfront" now, chief national security correspondent jim sciutto, white house