of new washington rules. so we don't know if mueller will abide by that traditional thinking. but people who know him say he is a traditionalist. he wants to do this by the book. that means, you know, labor day is creeping ever closer. we have about a month. the president's team is certainly aware of that, you know, traditional deadline. so they sense that the clock is ticking down to -- could be ticking down to something. >> and i was told this morning that it is what we have talked about so many times around this table and elsewhere, and that is the president, even as he says and is forced to say last week that russia meddled in america's election, that the minute -- he believes the minute he gives an inch on that, then the conversation shifts to the legitimacy of his presidency. he would rather have the public fight and the dialogue about meddling rather than the legitimacy of his presidency. so that's what a trump source said to me just this morning. manu, i want to ask you about something else rudy giuliani