fact that they were open for business to get that kind of opposition research and fact he encouraged hacking to go on again, we don't know where it trips up as a potential crime or those around him or whether there's a financial relationship with the russians. this is the part we simply don't know about any potential charges. >> that's where the rubber will meet the road. that's why ultimately judgment shouldn't be embedded on people's partisan affiliation, we need to look at the facts. we know the president saying russia, if you're listening, rudy made the point, some of trump's tweets provide plenty of information he argued for the special counsel. but there are also things he didn't touch, for example the question of the number that don jr. called after hearing the offer from the russians -- >> said he didn't know anything about that. >> that's a significant point that one presumably will find out the truth. >> despite all of this, jeffrey, despite all of the criticism of robert mueller and all of the calling the investigation names