relationship and stop the back biting and infighting. lastly, doing it on nation national tv -- my message to michael and i've said this, it's not the appropriate venue to be doing this. let's see if we can calm things down. the president is obviously doing a great job as president. these things happened before he was president. listen, it's a complicated world we live in, jake. what i'm hoping is the trump agenda on the scales of all these things, the trump agenda and all the good things happening in the economy will outweigh all the stuff going on right now. >> anthony, as someone who knows both of them, you have michael cohen according to sources claiming that president trump knew ahead of time about the trump tower meeting with russians. you have president trump denying it repeatedly publicly. who do you believe? >> that's a good question. listen, it's not clear to me