>> it is so unbelievable. when we talked to hhs and to dhs and to i.c.e., a couple things. one, they had no plan in place. they planned to do this and thought they could get away with it without anybody paying attention. number two, they have no plan to reunite the families right now. by the way, this is being done at' n enormous taxpayer expense. the government has to pay to reunite the families. number three, the fact they are not immediately trying to do something to say we are sorry to these families i frankly think every one of these people should be given victim visas because they are the victim of state-sponsored kidnapping and child abuse. that's what the pediatrics association says. the trauma we've done to these kids is crazy. it's beyond politics. it's about right and wrong. kids in cages and separating families is just wrong no matter