this attacker of our elections. he has declared cyber war on the united states democracy. >> hold on a second. i don't want to get too far away from the point. what don't you agree with, ken? >> i don't agree with jennifer that he shouldn't go forward with the meeting. >> oh, okay. >> i do believe that an indictment like this demands it be part of the agenda. >> yeah. >> but it doesn't mean you have to cancel the meeting. >> jennifer, don't you guys -- i want to talk about this with senator blumenthal also. i don't understand why you're saying this so help me understand it. it seems like you get what you want either way. if he goes there and speaks truth to power and owns the russian meddling in a way we've never seen him do before, you get what you say you want. if he doesn't do that or somehow vladimir putin is willing to show that he never did that and has a very different understanding, you still get what you want because then trump is exposed as someone who backed down from putin. so why wouldn't you want the meeting to go forward? >> are you talking to me? >> yeah. ken would love that question.