did help them. >> hold on. >> you know what the president's support verse always said than, well, that was a joke. he was being sarcastic. >> i guess they didn't have a sense of humor at the gru, the russian military intelligence. donald trump was a terrific salesman and a real estate guy, a talk show, whatever, reality show host. he was never a comedian. he wasn't joking, and the russians knew he wasn't joke. he didn't say, by the way, oh, hey, anybody good with computers, ha ha, plane you could. he asked russia to do it. that's not only the time. >> paul, paul. >> i didn't interrupt you because i thought you were making my case for me better than i could. let me finish, then. over 70 contacts between people close to mr. trump and the russians. but we will know in the fullness of time, right? i actually believe, unless the republicans can derail the mueller investigation, we'll know. it may be that trump and his folks were completely innocent, in which case at best they were the unwitting beneficiaries of a massive criminal enterprise. that's their best defense is