about a contact between russians and some american journalist. that i had not been familiar with, and it will be interesting to tease out who that might be and what went on there. but it is certainly accurate to say, as your question implies, that there is a tremendous amount of smoke indicating that there was some sort of trump campaign knowledge or involvement with this. but criminal cases are not built on smoke. they're built on fire. certainly in this indictment, there is no even allegation, much less proof, that the trump campaign was involved in this hacking activity. >> if you look at the indictment, paragraphs 43 and 44, i think, are what we're talking about here, which is the description by the prosecutors of the individuals who had communication with guccifer and